Hello,

Have anyone tried any of the new Nvidia 5000 series card with Karma XPU, and got it working?`

Redshift had to add support for the new cards to work. Wondering if Karma XPU needs to do the same? I did not find anything in the changelog about added support, but maybe I'm blind.

Nvidia 5000 series means an ADA card I think.
The main feature that came with ADA was the "shader execution reordering" (ie SER) which KarmaXPU has support for in 20.5
SER gave a 1.5-2x speedup

Karma XPU optix will probably work then? and not fail to start? like Redshift?

Trying to get new cards, but kinda sad if Karma XPU optix fails when we get them.

Heileif
Hello,

Have anyone tried any of the new Nvidia 5000 series card with Karma XPU, and got it working?`

Redshift had to add support for the new cards to work. Wondering if Karma XPU needs to do the same? I did not find anything in the changelog about added support, but maybe I'm blind.

do you mean geforce 5000 series, as in Blackwell? The RTX 5000 Ada has been out for a while now, but the RTX Pro 5000 Blackwell was just announced and isn't out yet as far as I know.

Apparently the term "5000 series" is a little loaded :/
It means either...
- RTX 5000 Ada
or
- Blackwell range (5090 etc...)

Either way, Karma XPU does not have the same issue as RedShift. It should work on Blackwell fine without any updates, etc.

Thanks for the replys.

RTX 5090 is the cards we are getting. Good to hear they will work

They likely won't have support for the new RT core features of Blackwell for a while though if any are relevant... I think SER for Ada was added around a year and a half after the cards came out, and for me on a 4090 anyway it made renders roughly 2-3x faster as SideFX said it would so it was worth the wait... part of the issue is that NVidia loves releasing cards that technically have the features then taking their time adding them to drivers and libraries, although I'd argue that this is better than AMD's strategy of having hardware features that never get enabled (the geometry shader cores on Vega, for example) or disabling features that worked when the card came out (1/2 speed fp64 on Vega7 being lowered to something like 1/32 speed, for example).
Ada still has no library support for TransformerEngine on windows for example, although that only affects quantized inference of ML models which isn't as big a deal for most of the image related ones... the people training and running LLMs, or as things are turning out in reality, "new-school spammers" as I like to call them (if I'm not saying what I really think which is unprintable in most states), are the main group affected by that on ada and blackwell and they'll just run linux. It may affect Houdini down the line if some very useful generative 3D models that 8 and 4-bit float quantization can be used with show up but I'm not holding my breath.

GnomeToys
They likely won't have support for the new RT core features of Blackwell for a while though if any are relevant... I think SER for Ada was added around a year and a half after the cards came out, and for me on a 4090 anyway it made renders roughly 2-3x faster as SideFX said it would so it was worth the wait... part of the issue is that NVidia loves releasing cards that technically have the features then taking their time adding them to drivers and libraries, although I'd argue that this is better than AMD's strategy of having hardware features that never get enabled (the geometry shader cores on Vega, for example) or disabling features that worked when the card came out (1/2 speed fp64 on Vega7 being lowered to something like 1/32 speed, for example).
Ada still has no library support for TransformerEngine on windows for example, although that only affects quantized inference of ML models which isn't as big a deal for most of the image related ones... the people training and running LLMs, or as things are turning out in reality, "new-school spammers" as I like to call them (if I'm not saying what I really think which is unprintable in most states), are the main group affected by that on ada and blackwell and they'll just run linux. It may affect Houdini down the line if some very useful generative 3D models that 8 and 4-bit float quantization can be used with show up but I'm not holding my breath.

The Shader Execution Reordering(SER) update was great for the 4090 cards. We got around x4 speed increase on renders with fur compared to 3090 cards.

If someone wonders, the 5090 cards have been stable so far for us.

Heileif

GnomeToys
They likely won't have support for the new RT core features of Blackwell for a while though if any are relevant... I think SER for Ada was added around a year and a half after the cards came out, and for me on a 4090 anyway it made renders roughly 2-3x faster as SideFX said it would so it was worth the wait... part of the issue is that NVidia loves releasing cards that technically have the features then taking their time adding them to drivers and libraries, although I'd argue that this is better than AMD's strategy of having hardware features that never get enabled (the geometry shader cores on Vega, for example) or disabling features that worked when the card came out (1/2 speed fp64 on Vega7 being lowered to something like 1/32 speed, for example).
Ada still has no library support for TransformerEngine on windows for example, although that only affects quantized inference of ML models which isn't as big a deal for most of the image related ones... the people training and running LLMs, or as things are turning out in reality, "new-school spammers" as I like to call them (if I'm not saying what I really think which is unprintable in most states), are the main group affected by that on ada and blackwell and they'll just run linux. It may affect Houdini down the line if some very useful generative 3D models that 8 and 4-bit float quantization can be used with show up but I'm not holding my breath.

The Shader Execution Reordering(SER) update was great for the 4090 cards. We got around x4 speed increase on renders with fur compared to 3090 cards.

If someone wonders, the 5090 cards have been stable so far for us.

Hi Heileif,

May i kindly ask, which drivers version are you using? also studio or gameready?
im having some cuda error with latest studio drivers on my new rtx5070ti

cheers

AgusGuri

Heileif

GnomeToys
They likely won't have support for the new RT core features of Blackwell for a while though if any are relevant... I think SER for Ada was added around a year and a half after the cards came out, and for me on a 4090 anyway it made renders roughly 2-3x faster as SideFX said it would so it was worth the wait... part of the issue is that NVidia loves releasing cards that technically have the features then taking their time adding them to drivers and libraries, although I'd argue that this is better than AMD's strategy of having hardware features that never get enabled (the geometry shader cores on Vega, for example) or disabling features that worked when the card came out (1/2 speed fp64 on Vega7 being lowered to something like 1/32 speed, for example).
Ada still has no library support for TransformerEngine on windows for example, although that only affects quantized inference of ML models which isn't as big a deal for most of the image related ones... the people training and running LLMs, or as things are turning out in reality, "new-school spammers" as I like to call them (if I'm not saying what I really think which is unprintable in most states), are the main group affected by that on ada and blackwell and they'll just run linux. It may affect Houdini down the line if some very useful generative 3D models that 8 and 4-bit float quantization can be used with show up but I'm not holding my breath.

The Shader Execution Reordering(SER) update was great for the 4090 cards. We got around x4 speed increase on renders with fur compared to 3090 cards.

If someone wonders, the 5090 cards have been stable so far for us.

Hi Heileif,

May i kindly ask, which drivers version are you using? also studio or gameready?
im having some cuda error with latest studio drivers on my new rtx5070ti

cheers

Driver: Game Ready Driver 572.83
Houdini: 20.5.445

Had issues with the Studio Driver before, that's many years ago. But ended up staying away after the issue we had. Should probably start using them again, in theory they should be the safest ones to use.

Heileif

GnomeToys
They likely won't have support for the new RT core features of Blackwell for a while though if any are relevant... I think SER for Ada was added around a year and a half after the cards came out, and for me on a 4090 anyway it made renders roughly 2-3x faster as SideFX said it would so it was worth the wait... part of the issue is that NVidia loves releasing cards that technically have the features then taking their time adding them to drivers and libraries, although I'd argue that this is better than AMD's strategy of having hardware features that never get enabled (the geometry shader cores on Vega, for example) or disabling features that worked when the card came out (1/2 speed fp64 on Vega7 being lowered to something like 1/32 speed, for example).
Ada still has no library support for TransformerEngine on windows for example, although that only affects quantized inference of ML models which isn't as big a deal for most of the image related ones... the people training and running LLMs, or as things are turning out in reality, "new-school spammers" as I like to call them (if I'm not saying what I really think which is unprintable in most states), are the main group affected by that on ada and blackwell and they'll just run linux. It may affect Houdini down the line if some very useful generative 3D models that 8 and 4-bit float quantization can be used with show up but I'm not holding my breath.

The Shader Execution Reordering(SER) update was great for the 4090 cards. We got around x4 speed increase on renders with fur compared to 3090 cards.

If someone wonders, the 5090 cards have been stable so far for us.

Good to know. I plan on getting one eventually, but since I refuse to pay more than MSRP for video hardware it'll probably be another year. What kind of speed improvement did you see over the 4090?

GnomeToys

Heileif

GnomeToys
They likely won't have support for the new RT core features of Blackwell for a while though if any are relevant... I think SER for Ada was added around a year and a half after the cards came out, and for me on a 4090 anyway it made renders roughly 2-3x faster as SideFX said it would so it was worth the wait... part of the issue is that NVidia loves releasing cards that technically have the features then taking their time adding them to drivers and libraries, although I'd argue that this is better than AMD's strategy of having hardware features that never get enabled (the geometry shader cores on Vega, for example) or disabling features that worked when the card came out (1/2 speed fp64 on Vega7 being lowered to something like 1/32 speed, for example).
Ada still has no library support for TransformerEngine on windows for example, although that only affects quantized inference of ML models which isn't as big a deal for most of the image related ones... the people training and running LLMs, or as things are turning out in reality, "new-school spammers" as I like to call them (if I'm not saying what I really think which is unprintable in most states), are the main group affected by that on ada and blackwell and they'll just run linux. It may affect Houdini down the line if some very useful generative 3D models that 8 and 4-bit float quantization can be used with show up but I'm not holding my breath.

The Shader Execution Reordering(SER) update was great for the 4090 cards. We got around x4 speed increase on renders with fur compared to 3090 cards.

If someone wonders, the 5090 cards have been stable so far for us.

Good to know. I plan on getting one eventually, but since I refuse to pay more than MSRP for video hardware it'll probably be another year. What kind of speed improvement did you see over the 4090?

Also interested in this, if anyone has an update.

Regarding performance. Looking at Deadline Monitor on renders running at the moment(mostly creatures with fur), Its around 30-40% increase. But many of the machines also have different CPUs.

The best part about the cards is the increase in VRAM. 4090 and 5090 is made with the same 5nm process so we did not get a huge increase in transistors in the same amount of die space, only a bigger die.

Next generation cards when manufacturing process will most likely be reduced, we hopefully get a big jump in transistors again like 3090(8nm) to 4090(5nm).

A little overview over transistors amount.
3090: 28 billion
4090: 76.3 billion
5090: 92.2 billion