Bit of a silly-beggar question, but I was going to test install SUSE 10 on a system, when I noticed it uses gcc4(!). I'm not going to risk upgrading a perfectly good Houdini workstation, so I might install at home on an old system. However, can someone from SESI state categorically that Houdini wouldn't work on such a system, or there's a small chance it could work? I'm never totally clear on the whole gcc/glibc thing and which is the highly relevant one.
For the record, it runs:
glibc2.3.5
gcc 4.0.2
lucky 2.6.13 kernel
Also, I notice SUSE still gets the “you gets what you gets” asterix beside it on the distribution page, which I assume means you don't have a system over there and you rely on qualified user feedback re: compatibility, but have you considered adding it to your setup? Those that use it tend to love it, and it has some nice advantages over the RH path. I wouldn't see the point of the 9.x series at this stage(given it works fine), but perhaps starting with v10?
Cheers,
J.C.
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JColdrickAny gcc 3.4 build should be fully compatible with gcc 4.0 (and vice-versa, actually). Therefore, the Red Hat EL4 build should work for you. (No promises, of course.)
Bit of a silly-beggar question, but I was going to test install SUSE 10 on a system, when I noticed it uses gcc4(!). I'm not going to risk upgrading a perfectly good Houdini workstation, so I might install at home on an old system. However, can someone from SESI state categorically that Houdini wouldn't work on such a system, or there's a small chance it could work? I'm never totally clear on the whole gcc/glibc thing and which is the highly relevant one.
(I would very surprised, though, if Novell had removed gcc 3.3 compatibility altogether. Your other builds might work fine!)
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Also, I notice SUSE still gets the “you gets what you gets” asterix beside it on the distribution page, which I assume means you don't have a system over there and you rely on qualified user feedback re: compatibility, but have you considered adding it to your setup? Those that use it tend to love it, and it has some nice advantages over the RH path. I wouldn't see the point of the 9.x series at this stage(given it works fine), but perhaps starting with v10?
I don't want to turn this into a Linux distribution flamewar or anything…But a bunch of us over here have fallen in love with Debian [debian.org]. The package management is phenomenal, it makes it very easy to keep a system up to date with the latest software out there. The initial install is nowhere near as slick as SuSE's though, I'll admit But once you “get it”, there's no going back.
Kind of like Houdini!
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Actually I've been interested in testing it, but not for production. The notion of keeping everything up to date is nirvana for software junkies like myself, but is a major pita for a pipeline. As it is, I'm constantly slapping myself on the wrist for even trying to do things like test SUSE 10, for this very reason. If it ain't broke, etc. It just adds that many more things that could break.
Having said that, I can't imagine having to work day by day with releases like RH7.3(which some big shops are still stuck with!) or even RH9. There's a balance in there somewhere…
I'll be getting back with the SUSE 10 results, hopefully today…
Cheers,
J.C.
Having said that, I can't imagine having to work day by day with releases like RH7.3(which some big shops are still stuck with!) or even RH9. There's a balance in there somewhere…
I'll be getting back with the SUSE 10 results, hopefully today…
Cheers,
J.C.
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In theory, it's possible yes. Depends if those optional rpms that needed to be installed on SUSE 9.3 are available for SUSE 10. Needs a hunt. All conjecture until someone actually tests it, though. Bleeding edge, here.
Those optional rpms shouldn't be necessary for SuSE 10 if it's using gcc 4, the libstdc++.so.6 library should be included already.
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houdini works perfectly (from what i can tell) with Suse 10, ive been using them together fairly solidly since 10 was released.
the thing that put me off debian is the ancient packages that are part of the stable release! I like Ubuntu because it takes the good points from debian into a more modern distro - IMO. unfortunately houdini help is broken in ubuntu which is one of the main reasons i went back to Suse. (also cryptoloop makes privacy easy as in suse, non-existant in ubuntu).
cheers
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the thing that put me off debian is the ancient packages that are part of the stable release! I like Ubuntu because it takes the good points from debian into a more modern distro - IMO. unfortunately houdini help is broken in ubuntu which is one of the main reasons i went back to Suse. (also cryptoloop makes privacy easy as in suse, non-existant in ubuntu).
cheers
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Hey, any reason you guys going for package driven distributions like suse / debian / redhat etc? We've had good performance with slack here, and I find keeping the boxes up to date are relatively painless as we got dropline-gnome as our desktop distro, which updates frequently to follow the latest releases in gnome… I know slack is a bit old school, but it's simplicity makes it quick to troubleshoot and tweak for performance, and with dropline ontop we don't have to lag too far behind the bleeding edge.
I've tried most of the other distros that seem more popular, but I find them confusing and overly complex once things go south. Perhaps I'm missing something? Is a distro like RH or suse better optimized when it comes to threads / libs etc?
Peter.
I've tried most of the other distros that seem more popular, but I find them confusing and overly complex once things go south. Perhaps I'm missing something? Is a distro like RH or suse better optimized when it comes to threads / libs etc?
Peter.
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I know slack is a bit old school,
That, plus ease of install and hands-off after that, are the reasons on our end. Plunk SUSE in(*way* less crap than RH), spend a little time configuring, and leave it. Add to that all the sexy, useful things that are not only distributed with it, but integrated as well(important), and it's an easy sell my end. I've been screwing with Linux in this biz since the very very first port of Renderman then Houdini(which pre-dated Maya's, despite PR to the contrary), and had my share of meddling with remote login configs, nfs options, and frankly I never wanted to be a sysadmin.
As an example, SUSE 10 comes with the brand spanking new version of svn, which lets us change the method we've been accessing our repository(http - yech), and upgrading that manually involved *so* many upgrades I had simply avoided dealing with it. Also, OO2, integrated with the mail client, and an easily installable gmplayer, and I can look at all those client-forwarded multimedia files.
Also, Beagle looks cool.
I understand you can get all those with slack, but you'll spend a day doing it. Takes 5 minutes for me.
Cheers,
J.C.
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Hey JC, yup i hear you… slack takes awhile to get up and running in a workable state. Dropline-gnome made it a lot easier tho, comes preconfigured and has most of the apps i need, …gimp, inkscape etc. I'll have to take a second look at suse one of these days… heard lots of good things about it.
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